DoW2 brainstorm

[fuegan]

THIS IS JUST A BRAINSTORM, NOT A MOD IN PROGRESS OR ANYTHING

Troop Choices exactly as codex but half the squad sizes and +1 with leader.
Ex: Tactical squad at 5 man with a single heavy or special weapon option with grenade pack upgrade and leader CC weapon and combi upgrade.
Ork Sluggas at 15 man with choppas and expensive ard boy upgrade with leader CC weapon and bosspole upgrades. Ork Shootas with a hvy weapon upgrade, frag upgrade, leader kombi and bosspole upgrades.
Dires at 5 man with everything in codex, 5 man rangers with pathfinder upgrade, 10 man guardians with same codex options.

Elite Choices as 1/3 the size with +1 with leader but with exaggerated stats, armor, abilities, and HP with a 50%-100% increase in cost from codex.
Ex. 3 man Sternguard with bolters with 50% faster rate of fire, Kraken rounds with supression and setup time, hellfire round as an ability like Cyrus's sniper round, Vengence as a toggle that drains energy fast but significantly raises damage output, and dem ignore cover rounds as an AoE ability that incinerates the ground. Sgt makes the squad acceptible in close combat and allows them to deploy smoke grenades when they retreat.
Aspects at 3 mans and double codex costs. Banshees with a wall leap with exarch, enemy stun with war shout, masks that affect dps and movement speed. Exarch executioner allows moderate damage to vehicles, mirror swords double attack speed but less damage per attack, and triskele that confers an ability to throw the weapon and cause major damage to a target.

HQs would be much the same they are in DoWII but wargear being less redundent and maybe a few added extras.
ex. Artificier armor has best armor and a variety of abilites while termie armor is much more expensive and lowers movement speed but is immune to supression, has nearly the same armor, and provides an invul since lots of stuff will have armor reduction/ignoring capabilities.

Fast Attack vehicles will be much the same they are in TT while Infantry will be half sizes, 25%-50% increase in cost, and have a unique ability or two. Basicly a mix of elite and troops.

Heavy Suppot vehicles will be pretty badass with immunity to most basic weapons and take many AT shots to kill. But Infantry will have a variety of heavy weapons with secondary effects.
Ex. Lascannons as pure DPS weapons, causing double the damage as most AT weapons. Missile Launchers with secondary effects on vehicles that slow their movement and have chances to disable weapons temporarily and also have a krak round ability as well. Slower rate of fire than a Lascannon. Bright Lances with less dps than a lascannon but has unique secondary effect OR ignores armor types and causes a set amount of damage per hit regardless of target. Dark Reapers as anti-infantry but have a significant chance to hit rear armor regardless of facing while exarch tempest causes supression with a low but set dps regardless of target, shuriken cannon has no setup and causes supression with high dps, fast firing missile launcher with plasma round similar to krak but reduces armor for a duration.

[seawolf]

^ This is perhaps the only idea me and you will almost fully agree upon. I support this idea.

[fuegan]

If ark will allow me, I'll post my DoW2 WIP on his board. Then when an actual release is in order I might make my own page if its clogging things up. Of course most of this stuff won't be viable without the models from WoA so the first release will be more of a test to see what I get right coding and balancing-wise.

[seawolf]

About special weapons, specifically stuff like Shuriken cannons or Heavy bolters, plasma cannons, etc; imo all these units should keep a setup time due to their ability to suppress, but that's because I'm thinking of suppression being as powerful as it is right now in DoW II, where these weapons deal a very significant amount of damage along with their suppression utility.

[spardason21]

You should make missile launcher krak missiles default, and have them be anti-heavy-infantry and anti-vehicle, with frag missiles as an anti-infantry clicky with slight suppression. Keep the vehicle de-buffs as standard though.

Perhaps give Brightlances an armor de-buff to hit vehicles?

[seawolf]

I was just wondering this lately, but what role would globals play in such an idea like this? I assume stuff like Termies and whatnot would become buildable from the HQ, and I assume we'd have globals be something fluffy based or some TT abilities. I was also thinking that a lot of units for races could be rolled into a single unit and be made into upgrades due to the current UI lock in DoW II. Stuff like sternguard/vanguard upgrades for base squads in SM, and using the commander build menus for upgrade menus one could probably cover a lot for stuff like Tau battlesuits and other stuff.

[fuegan]

I'm not usre what to do with Globals, but I'll probably use them almost as a third resource, like Orks. I could also do deployable cover, possession, bombardments, webway/teleport, unit specific buffs, etc.

But as a third resource, that's what would seperate Elites from costs. I too was thinking about making vanguard/sternguard as upgrades to squads, sorta like the CR campaign. Ard/cybork boyz (would be nice to get both but I doubt I could get anyone to do models), Exarches, Guardians to Black Guardians (again, Idk if that's possible), Rangers to Pathfinders, Nobs to Mega Nobs, etc. would all be done that way.

Also, I really wanted to replace all those strategic points with Generator points. That was they can be captures, reinforced, and then choose to make turrets. Points for power might be changed to another color if possible, Idk. But the thing I hate most about DoW is the whole merry-go-round style of play, this should eliminate that. Only problem is that I think those are coded to the map so I'm sure they would need to be placed when making the map and I'm unsure if I can even changestuff like that in the first place.

[seawolf]

The idea of an LP in the DoW 1 armed LP style doesn't fit very wel with DoW II's style imo. Due to how small maps are and how big LoS plays a role, I honestly wouldn't like the old DoW 1 LP system. Making req points have a mere armor that needs to be destroyed before capping like power nodes have now would be fine though, but giving no LoS and no deffensive weapons; I'd say keep the current ramping up req SP, where merely holding that SP longer makes it give more req; this way paying the req to make that LP is a choice rather than a necessity right off the bat like they are in DoW I and FoK.